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MemberTyrannosaurus RexOct-17-2014 9:20 AM

Hello there.

    Over the past few weeks, I've had the time to consider the implications of the new hypothesis that suggests Spinosaurus Aegyptiacus was a functioning quadruped that spent a considerable amount of time in the water, to wit the revisions that would have to be applied to its ecology. Gazing upon Stromer's Riddle, we can easily see that there is still so much we don't yet fully understand about these immense, beautiful theropods; a fact that becomes glaringly obvious when we focus upon their life cycles - most importantly their manner of procreation. Taking a more traditional standpoint, we could easily envision Spinosaurus laying clutches of eggs within large, dome-like nests upon the shores of their watery domain, much in the same fashion as modern day crocodiles. One or both of the parents would undoubtedly keep a sharp watch over the nest from the water's edge, driving away or outright killing anything foolish enough to encroach upon the sanctuary of their unborn children (an act that would almost certainly be tantamount to suicide, in my opinion). Upon hatching, nestling Spinosaurs would likely take to the water with their parents, perhaps staying within shallow lagoons and estuaries while they refined their ability to swim and hunt (I imagine Spinosaurus babies were utterly adorable, perhaps chirping to procure their parents' attention).

    Of course, there is another route we can take when looking at Spinosaurus and attempting to surmise the manner by which it conceived and reared young - one that is far less orthodox than the aforementioned theory and requires a slightly more critical and open-minded view of this magnificent animal's physiology. Basing details upon the assumption that Spinosauerus Aegyptiacus was in fact an aquatic animal, there is a question that can be posed which at first might seem a bit outlandish. What if this animal had "live" births? Is such a thing even possible? Throughout the world, there are many examples of water-borne life-forms giving birth to live young. One only has to look to dolphins, other comprable cetacean and even certain species of shark. Could it have been that Spinosaurus protected its unborn children within so dangerous a world by carriying them within a womb rather than laying eggs? Such a concept bears weight in that it would be an excellent manner by which to safeguard one's young. When children are gestating within a 50ft-long, 8 ton leviathan whose claws and teeth can rip just about any contender to bloody shreds, they tend to be safe from the predations of animals who've adapted to pillaging nests for eggs. Looking upon Spinosaurus Aegyptiacus from this percpective, it is quite easy to wonder if this remarkable creature might have been even more amazing than we first assumed - representing a uniquely adapted physiology for its era.

    I certainly hope this segment of my theoretical thinking has been interesting and/or thought-provoking for you. As always, your thoughts and conjecture on this topic are most appreciated - even if you choose to keep them to yourself. :)

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@Tyrant King, I never thought of it that way. (Also, I never knew that Sarcosuchus and Spino lived in different times, along with Argentinosaurus and Giganotosaurus.)

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TYRANT KING - Considering the extremely interesting theories you've presented, do you believe it's possible that Spinosaurus Aegyptiacus dwelled in large communal groups in the same manner as the Nile Crocodile? Or do you posit that this animal was a solitary predator that was fiercely territorial?

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I think it would be just likit ole crocs and would generally live in those communal groups and would all get hunt together if the food was big enough for all of them. There would probably be a big make with smaller males and females. I would not want to be in a spino infested river.............

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At scifiking25 I am happy to help, any other questions?

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TYRANT KING - Indeed! That would be one of the most hostile and dangerous locations on the face of the primeval planet! Can you imagine what a feeding would be like? Just think; dozens of massive predators over 50ft in length churning through the water to rip apart an animal the size of an African elephant - or perhaps even larger! I must say, that would be both a breathtaking and horrifying site to behold! :)

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Oh yea, don't forget ambushing 35 foot 4 ton hadrosaurs and 44 foot 7 ton carcharadontosaurus. And feasting on 110 foot 75 ton beasts..........

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TYRANT KING - Needless to say, it wouldn't have been excatly the most hospitable environment with regards to one's longevity! If Spinosaurs dwelled in large groups, I've a sinking suspicion they likely had fierce competition for the choicest pieces of prey! :)

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I think Spinosaurus did nest croc-style. It would be cool to see how it hunted. Ten of them in the water attacking large hadrosaurs or long neck dinosaurs (can't for the life of me think of their names). It would have been beautiful and revolting at the same time. The question is, could they fully submerge themselves in the water? Would the sail hinder that?

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GOJIRA2K - I understand exactly what you mean! With regards to the sail, I've a thought that it might have served in the same capacity as a rudder - allowing the animal to cut through the water with the power and ease of a shark! Can you imagine a 50ft-long, even ton theropod cruising through the water with all the ease of a white pointer (great white)? That, my friend, would instil dread in just about anything foolish enough to venture past the shallow end of the pool! :)

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I hadn't thought about comparing them to sharks. To add to that premise, the sail could have been like a killer whale's fin, a dolphin's fin, or a sailfish's fin. It would scare me if I ever saw that. 

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GOJIRA2K - You've a fine premise there! Indeed, such a site would be terrifying in the extreme! :)

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I would definitely be scared if I ever saw a 40 foot, brightly colored, sail that is a couple feet high.

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TYRANT KING - You're spot-on with that assessment! I'd likely ruin one of my favorite skirts were i to behold such a site! On a brighter note, however, I'd likely also be fascinated to see the animal's agility and grace as it powered through the water! :)

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As an aside for my curiosity, I wonder if Spinosaurus - assuming it was aquatic in nature - could remain submerged beneath the water for extendid periods of time. Such a trait would ensure a broader range for its versatility as a hunter and would have given it the ability to retire from the land during crises such as forest fires and powerful storms. Something to definately consider! :)

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drawing parellels to extant crocodians is spot on. i like how you presented this, SR! the kem kem beds(where all the dinos in TKs post) is a superbly rich fossil site. predators outnumber prey by a ratio of 3:1...no one knows exactly why, but it's likely to be we just haven't found any yet. @TK, your post is good & all, but a few things are a bit off... - Ouranosaurus nigierensis lived ~2 million before spino and carchy, so a related species? probable. just not ouranosaurus itself - Sarcosuchus did in fact, co-exist with Spinosaurus. the discrepancy in the amount of years between the two is minimal at best. Sarcosuchus was likely a major source of competition for spinosaurus. - Bahariasaurus ingens is the junior synonym of Deltadromeus agilis, and while they are almost certainly theropods in nature, we don't exactly know WHAT they were. femur associated with B. ingens is reminiscient of limusaurus(basal ceratosauroid), though. - Carharodontosaurus, along with sauroniops, were the sauropod hunters. S. aegyptiacus, knowing how specialized it truly was, did not actively hunt them; juveniles, even sub-adults would be taken if the oppurtunity arose, though

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CARNOSAUR - I'm extremely pleased that you've enjoyed this bit of conjecture! The insights and counter-points you've provided are extremely interesting and most appreciated! Thank you ever so much for your feedback! :)

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@ carnosaur, I just now realized my fatal error of putting oranosaurus with spinosaurus since it lived a million or two years ago. Sacrosuchus lived with suchomimus and when suchomimus died out spinosaurus arose to fill the niche. Sacrosuchus and spinosaurus saw each other only occasionally. Sacrosuchus was dying out at that time so it wasn't a huge compitition between the two as you purpose. I know that the predators outnumber the herbivores 3:1. I have been thinking and researching this mysterious mystery for a whole now and have come to the conclusion that the present herbivores( paralatitan, hadrosaurid) were extremely plentiful and probably had many individuals.and thlo predators would have hunted, dun dun dun..... EACHOTHER. Since there are so few prey species they would probably hunt, kill,and eat smaller predator. Now I saw smaller cause if the predator was to big it could kill the hunter.@ something real, I think that spinosaurus could stay submergean anywhere from 45 minutes to 2 hours. Ths sail would be a decoy to destract unwary animals who have come for a drink.

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I agree with Carnosaur on the Spinosaurus/Sarcosuchus relationship. Sarcosuchus lived 112 million years ago and Spinosaurus lived 97-112 million years ago. In the grand scheme of things, a few million years isn't that much and I bet there was some overlap(same with Spinosaurus and Ouranosaurus). Suchomimus actually lived 113-121 million years ago, just to point that out.

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TYRANT KING - Hmm, the sail as a decoy? That's an incredibly interesting hypothesis - and very much outside the norm! I like it a great deal! Thank you for providing such an "outside of the box" notion! :)

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@ rex fan, how do not agree with me????? I said the same thing that you just said. And sonethi real, thanks what are your thoughts on its sail?

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